Kill him.
Right now, before he entraps younglings.
So kill him.
Before his kind of vermin take over the world.
He should be caught, hung, and then have his body burnt, just to be safe.
It is that simple.
Why is he a terrorist, well he plays in the ICL.
And that is a unacceptable.
It is the biggest crime you can do in cricket.
Take drugs, it’s ok, take money to throw your innings, never mind, be a South Africa, oh go one then.
But the ICL, that is way worse.
It’s like being a Nazi Scientologist who is a member of NAMBLA.
So Staurt Law must be taken out.
His kids should also be murdered for his crimes.
You know, so that future generations don’t grow up to be ICL players.
Law is the latest player to get fucked over for having the stain of ICL on his shirt collar.
He had the audacity to be almost be a batting coach of Australian juniors while still playing in the ICL.
Dizzy Gillespie had the same thought processes, the swine.
Not that long ago it was reported that an Indian ICL player was escorted from his old cricket club, couldn’t have him mixing with clean living cricketers.
OK it’s an unauthorised competition, we get it.
We really do, we understand why the IPL people might be pissed with it.
But is any of this working?
People are still playing in it, it’s still mildly successful, and no amount of harsh treatment seems to be stopping that.
What it is doing, is stopping Dizzy Gillespie helping out Australia’s young bowlers, and Stuart Law helping out the young batsmen.
And if they are really going to fuck over people involved with the ICL, why is Tony Greig allowed to watch, commentate, shit over, and come in any contact with authorised cricket?
I love the IPL and don’t care much for the ICL…
However what the power-brokers at the IPL are doing to people like Stuart Law is deplorable. Sad indeed. :-(
What CA are doing to Gillespie (and others no doubt) is an insult. A freakin’ joke. Can you look at Diz eye to eye James Sutehrland?
Does anyone know if the same sponsors are contributing to both comps? That would be the ultimate hypocrisy from the BCCI
hey jrod…
I care about the ICL….and non-bullies should!
anyways, I have decided to convert to Sehwagology, the reason are out there on my blog…
P.S. : is there any ritual? or conversion ceremony?
Its really sad to see top quality international cricketers being treated like untouchables because of their affiliation to a cricket league which aims to promote cricket. I hope the debate over the ICl in Perth bears a positive result. Its sad that the BCCI puts its own interest first and does not care for the International cricketing community at large. What annoys me further is the fact that the ICC prefers to remain a mute spectator to the Indian boards arrogance.
hold your horses before blaming the BCCI and IPL for this mess. can you really blame them for wanting to protect their interests, but what forces the other boards to follow suit? blame Cricket Aust for what is in the end an illogical stance. why are they not protecting their own? if tomorrow, every board allows the ICL players to play, what is the BCCI going to do? stop playing everyone? its totally amazing that none of the boards has the balls to call their bluff.
Sunny, The BCCi, the IPL, and CA are to blame. Protecting there interests, how by not allowing a young Indian cricketer to visit his club side, pretty sure that CA had nothing to do that, and being that ICL cricketers are still allowed into cricket grounds in Australia, i would say the BCCi and IPL are doing far worse things in this mess.
The way to protect their interests is to have the best product, and they do, the IPL is far superior to ICL in almost every way, the players are better, the publicity outside of india is better, tony greig is not involved, and outside of Lahore their is no strong team brand in the ICL.
They have won, the ICL can’t compete at the IPL’s level, but what pisses me off is who gets shafted in all of this. The players, someone like Stuart Law is never going to get a game in the IPL, and if someone signs a contract with the ICL that shouldn’t end their contact with the real world. it’s obsurd.
And the BCCi have their hand in all of this, is it CA’s fault as well, fuck yeah, but who is pulling the strings.
Ankit, it involves a crosroads at midnight, a cricket bat, and swinging away.
Sunny, the BCCI has a role to play. It was their problem, they could have tackled it initially , but instead they preferred to behave arrogantly. The matter could have been resolved when the ICl was set up. It was dispute over television rights that has now affected so many careers. Unfortunately the guys over at the BCCI believe own cricket in India.
Other cricket boards have rightly proved that it is money that matters to them more than those who have brought glory to their country. Its really shameful that someone like dizzy is being treated in this manner. Cricket Australia must not give in to the pressure of the Indian board.
I don’t think anything will change. The ICC must act now, but I believe its too late to change anything.
hey,
what about Lalit Modi’s past criminal records?
he had pleaded guilty to possessing cocaine, abduction and assault in the state of North Carolina in 1985.
Drug rap returns to haunt IPL boss Modi
The Durham County Court accepted Modi’s plea bargaining application and found him guilty of kidnapping and assault. The court sentenced him to two years imprisonment and fined him $10,000.
add to it the recent allegation of faked documents and forgery on property and land transfer
you have the perfect guardian ;) for any summer camps
not saying that BCCI are faultless, but i fail to see why the other boards are feeling the pinch. call their bluff. time for some leverage. even the BCCI needs the countries like Eng and Aust to make their billions from tv rights. other boards should stop dropping dead and rolling over.
Poopsie, not the same sponsors but a lot of the camera crew, cheerleaders, etc are used by both competitions… soon after the IPL last year it was revealed that a number of the cheerleaders used in the league had performed in the ICL earlier.. there were no bans on them.. n then the TV production crew hired by the franchises involved the same people behind the cameras in the ICL…
Moreover, ICL is run by Zee and a lot of the ads running on Zee such as Dish TV and other products have Shahrukh Khan as the brand ambassador.. and we all know Shahrukh owns a team in which league…
C what I mean?
In Pakistan, Moin Khan, who coaches Lahore in the ICL, is coaching PIA, a domestic side, but the players, i.e. Razzak, Yousuf, Imrans, Rana, etc arent allowed to play in the domestic competition – its absurd…
How can I kill Lalit Modi?
I pee yell, Stake to the heart i presume.
Joining this late but let me see if you can see the POV of BCCI:
The history of Cricket until 90′s was basically Eng vs Aus and a few other nations reluctantly being allowed to be peripheral participants to enhance the international feel of the game. West Indies pooped the party in 70′s-80′s but they were piss-poor so it was easy to live with them as champions while still peddling Ashes as the primary point of Cricket as a game existing.
This domination of India in the ICC has been hard-earned. Even now, ECB and ACB are looking for openings to destabilise BCCI’s influence in World Cricket.
The point about blanket banning of ICL-related cricketers is this: If this is not done, then , any International cricketer is free to choose between ICL and IPL. If that is the case, then ECB can easily bargain with BCCI – like they can threaten that Kevin and Freddy will be allowed to play in ICL if ECB is not given a share of the spoils or given power in ICC.
So, the thing is BCCI has no choice here because the cost of letting go ICL players is that ECB will not stay quiet – the power brokers there will fish in India and create a division between players here. They will encourage ICLa nd try to cock a snook at BCCI. Eventually, despite the revenues, BCCI will not be given absolute power.
As an Indian, I would much rather see BCCI dominating ICC than ECB dominating ICC by hook or crook. And the reality is if BCCI slightly let go the reins and allowed ICL to exist, ECB, probably with the collusion of ACB destabilise BCCI’s influence.
So, our experience of the behaviour of English and Oz administrators in International Cricket – namely, riding roughshod over other nations’ interests – is what is causing BCCI to be over-dictatorial.
You can blame them but the alternative is ECB/ACB donning the dictatorial role BCCI is currently playing – I can understand if ECB and ACB supporters want that to happen but dont expect the BCCI to bend on its knees and cave in.
What I am saying is that BCCi cannot afford to be even slightly leneinet because of the history of behaviour of English and Australian admins in international Cricket. If we had slightest confidence that ECBa nd ACB officials can be fair and true and not self-serving, then maybe BCCI will not do this.
sorry for the typos – not in a great shape to type right now.
sorry raj,
I will disagree.
I am an Indian, I do not want to see BCCI “dominate” by disgraceful tactics.
Be the best team, dominating world cricket will be automatic.
Money, even that – for TV broadcasters will be shelling millions to buy the rights.
But not the way BCCI is trying to dominate.
If they want ICL sidelined, it has to be in an open and fair competition.
If BCCI wishes to dominate cricket, as an Indian I would be proud to say that my nation’s cricket board cleared up unfairness, bias, racism partisan nepotism off ICC and made it an honest committee.
The world has changed.
Basic rights of an individual is as important if not more than which cricket board dominates ICC. Every player should have the freedom to choose ICL or IPL or for that matter any “L”s without losing their international cricketing career.
I do not give a toss who dominates ICC or who doesn’t. The very idea that in the 21st century ICC has to be dominated by a single nation goes against the spirit of cricket.
Cricket is about honesty, fairness and fairplay – not the power politics and gangster mentality. When every cricket board should try for an ICC that can be fair to all, it is sad that BCCI believes it should “dominate” because Australia and England has done so in the past. And you, in your comment it seems, condone their actions.
BCCI’s denial of every player’s individual rights deeply embarrasses me.
Some of us fight for equality and individual rights in real life too – to support BCCI’s actions, simply because of myself being an Indian, will only make me a hypocrite.
I will exult the day IPL bites the dust. Its an evil blot on the game I know as cricket – an antithesis of what cricket stands for.
chinmay, you got me totally wrong. I am all for fair play. But to assume that if BCCI plays fair, then every other board will and allow things to develop as a natural competition between ICL and IPL is naive. You bet my arse that ECB will fish in the troubled waters and end up dominating the ICC. All they need is ICL to become acceptable to BCCI. The moment they do it, then dear Chinmay, in 10 years, they will wipe out Indian Cricket and revert us to the disgraceful 20th century when they dominated ICC and rode rougshod over us.
You are romantic and assuming that ECB and ACB will play fair. That, my friend, flies badly in the face of available evidence. When they had the power, they had a veto remember. They legally dominated ICC disgracefully! This is the credentials of ECB and ACB. That is why I am saying I am not crying tears over BCCI’s domination. Yes, it is bad. But it is not worse than what ECB/ACB have done before and will do again given a chance.
This is the problem – you take out my statement that I have no problems dominating ICC and it looks so different from what I said. What I said is different – and can anyone say that on available evidence of ECB/MCC behaviour when they dominated Cricket, that they will keep Cricket’s true interests in their mind. We all know the answer – they will keep their interests above Cricket’s. So, why should BCCI roll over and allow them to do that again? Over time, BCCI’s revenues will dip and at that point, ECB will start doing what BCCI is doing now. I am not sure if many English bloggers will be crying out “I wish my board played fair” like you , my dear Chinmay. The point is let ECB wait until that happens – let BCCI not roll over and accelerate that process.
“Cricket is about honesty, fairness and fairplay – not the power politics and gangster mentality. When every cricket board should try for an ICC that can be fair to all, it is sad that BCCI believes it should “dominate” because Australia and England has done so in the past. And you, in your comment it seems, condone their actions.
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The thing is Chinamy, not what they did before. It is what they will do again if given a slight chance. Even now, you can see ECB trying their best to de-stabilise IPL for their own interests – only they dont have any leverage. Now, David Morgan and MCC have got the OVal test result overturned again, What is the necessity? That whole issue was played out before and what is the necessity to start that argument over again? You know the answer – it gives them a vague sense of self-satisfaction that England’s series score now looks 3-0 instea of 2-0. Does the ICC not have more pressing matters to attend to So, you see, if you are not naive, you can understand their priorities. Just having a powerless chairman in ICC, they are able to make things go in their favour so much. What if they had absolute power? Imagine what they will do, Cant you see it? Why do I become despicable if I merely say this?
“I do not give a toss who dominates ICC or who doesn’t. The very idea that in the 21st century ICC has to be dominated by a single nation goes against the spirit of cricket”
True. You are condemned to keep fighting against this and repeating this all your life. Few years from now, you will be saying the same thing but against ECB – who will be doing exactly what BCCI are doing now. Unfortunately, very few people in the world subscribe to fair play, Chinmay. What can we do about it? Nothing. That is the way powerful people behave. I am not saying Englishmen and Australians in general are like this – I am just saying that organisatiosn such as ECB/ACB have shown in the past that this is in the DNA of powerful men in powerful posts. We had Sriraman, a gentleman as head of Indian Cricket – he achieved nothing. It took the worldly Dalmia and manipulative Bindra to give Indian Cricket some control and more importantly, parity in International Cricket. Otherwise, they were poor cousins.
“If they want ICL sidelined, it has to be in an open and fair competition.
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Yes, thats what. If BCCI agrees to co-exist with ICL, then it will no longer be open and fair because ECB will play dirty and encourage ICL more and probably undermine IPL. Then the dice will be loaded against IPL. It will be no longer open and fair. Maybe this should happen and I will probably see you condemning ECB and ICL :-).
“I will exult the day IPL bites the dust. Its an evil blot on the game I know as cricket – an antithesis of what cricket stands for.
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This is hyperbole and the IPL/BCCI doesnt deserve it. This is like saying that ECB and ACB dominated Cricket disgracefully upto 90′s so I will be very happy if Cricket itself becomes extinct.
@ raj,
1. the name is chinaman, have the decency to type the full name.
2. please dont call me romantic for believing in fairness and equal rights.
What I argue is very real life.
I again say, I do not give a toss who dominates ICC. It will not affect you or I in any way.
But what BCCI and IPL has effectively done is to ruin many cricketers future. because they made an independent choice.
Cricket will not become extinct if there is no IPL. That is rubbish.
IPL, on the contrary, is a threat to traditional cricket.
Why does the world of cricket need IPL any way? Other than lining the pockets of BCCI, making many millionaires richer, and finding a couple of young players who would have been spotted anyway, IPL is just a circus.
Your argument is as worthless as saying, because in the past the western “white” colonial powers had indiscrimanately profited from slave trading – now we Indians being an emerging power should bring back slavery.
You have the right to write propaganda for IPL.
I too have the right to say that there are many Indians like myself who do not accept the disgraceful behaviour of BCCI and refuse to give any support through misplaced loyalty.
Know what, your pile of paranoid arguments makes me cringe with shame.
I am with you Atheist. This whole IPL circus was too jarring on my nerves last time I was visiting my parents in India.
God almighty, there are already too many venues for ShahRukh Khan to shake his old pelvis, we don’t need another one.
chinaman, apologies. I thought you were chinmay – ‘cos there is a chinmay in Guardian blogs who posts similar views. Eyes playing a trick and seeing what we want to see.
Yes, I do recognise that you want fair play and believe it is possible. Paranoid or not, I believe this is how it will play out if BCCI loses domination. I do so wish that BCCI loses domination – because I am fairly sure ECB will step in to do the same things BCCI does now – then we can all vent happily at ECB, you and I together. But only thing is only we two will be left to do that. All people who are supporting you on IPL will disappear – but that is okay, two of us can rant, I will be happy to be on the same side as you.
Slavery context is different – dont bring that in here – Cricket is too trivial when compared to history of that sort. Yes, I can tell you this much – I definitely wouldnt support reverse slavery. But I do support reverse snobbing and reverse domination by BCCI on Cricket – like you said, Cricket is not that important and domination in Cricket doesnt affect many people physically like slavery so because of the magnitude, I am okay with BCCI doing what ECB did and will do in the future. It doesnt automatically imply I support reverse slavery as you imply.
What I dont understand is mere paranoid on the basis of past behaviour of ECB makes you cringe. But do you ever cringe that ECB still has that attitude and above other priorities, works on restoring Oval test status when David Morgan is made chairman? Cant he focus on other things? My question is why doesnt this make you cringe?Cant you even get yourself to say one word against it?
@ raj,
BCCI “domination” over other boards?
refusing to let a player play for his country because he chose to play for ICL?
using their “domination over ICC” to force other boards to ban their players from representing their own country?
the excuse that England and Australia had dominated ICC in the past so it is now India’s turn to dominate it now, with absolute power? slavery is not too inappropriate an analogy, is it?
you do not support fairplay, everything you have written so far proves you do not;
this is what you have written
on the paranoid assumption of what may or may not happen in 10 years time, you justify that ICL should remain unrecognised ONLY so that BCCI can dominate ICC
you have also written
so ICL has to remain unrecognised because what ECB may or may not do to “undermine” IPL ?
Is that not what BCCI has been doing so far, undermining ICL? “the dice is now loaded against ICL” – but that is open and fair and acceptable to you?
your main worry you say is
you are only arguing for absolute power!!! for BCCI and maximum “revenues”
you are not arguing for the rights of players like Shane Bond – forever excluded from playing for HIS country.
you are not talking cricket or what cricket stands for and should continue to stand for.
you have complete disregard of the rights of the players who have signed upto to ICL,
you have no regard for their right to their freedom to choose without victimisation, you do not even understand the harm BCCI/IPL has done to the ICL cricketers and continues to do so.
IPL is no more necessary than ICL – neither is it any less evil to proper cricket than ICL
if there cannot be an ICL, there is no need for an IPL either; there was ‘proper’ cricket before IPL there will be proper cricket outside and after IPL
take away the non-indian (money hungry) cricketers – IPL with all its indian (money hungry) superstars – is NOTHING
your writing makes me cringe as it only upholds deep seated prejudices, I too am an Indian, and I have no intention to be generalised along with your paranoid and prejudiced views. in my world and in my life human rights is far more valuable than BCCI’s need for “absolute power”
you are here to “promote” IPL – not talk ‘cricket’ – just like another spammer
chinaman, that is fine. I dont wish to be known as paragon of virtue. We all know we all arent. We just pretend to ourselves. I don’t cheat anyone in my life. That is enough for me. But at the same time, i dont think I should be writing all politically correct stuff all the time.
Simple fact: Supporters of sports teams like to bag other teams. If ‘my’ team cheats, that is ‘playing by the rule’. if other team does, they are ‘cheats.
In this, Aussies/English are the pastmasters. Mainly because they were mostly winning. but also they were writing the history – they wrote the ICC history that Indians have most offences in Cricket since 1996. How? By ignoring Aussie offences and maginifying Indian ones. My blood boils at that – your apparently doesnt so should I cringe at your lack of neutrality and lack of impartiality – because you can live with ICC discrimination against Ganguly, Ranatunga and otehr sub-continentals but your blood boils when the affected party is Gillespie? But I dont cringe at you because well I know we are all not perfect. That’s all.
You have your flaws – I have mine. You are not a better person than me.
I care two hoots for the IPL – I want BCCI to dominate ICC just to see aussie/english players actually punished for their transgressions. To me, since the day I started watching Cricket, the primary blood boil has been because of this double standards in addressing on field transgressions – Asians are punished very badly for minor offences but Aussies are let go for major ones. If I say this now, some obfuscation will be given. Now, this is not a big deal for you. Your big deal is Gillespie losing his livelihood. For me this is. because potentially, Murali could have been hounded out of the game by conniving Aussies and Englishmen. I am glad SLC and BCCI had some influence so that couldnt happen.
Just because you care for different things than me doesnt make you a better person. I dont care what people think because I know in my personal life, I am fair but in matters like these, where there is a lot of discrimination on both sides, I prefer that ‘my side’ has some defence agaisnt foul play by the ‘other side’, which has an history of discrimination so until they show fair play, I cannot believe that they will play fair. This is simple logic. Even now, if David Morgan had not pulled strings on Oval test, I would have had some regard that ECB and their minions arent out to establish their supremacy. But clearly even today’s evidence shows that ECB has its on superiority agenda – sad you cannot see it and call it paranoia.
I say, let your wish happen – let BCCI crumble. Let it happen soon so that you and I can discuss on this very blog about ECB’s atyachar. Atleast, you will open your eyes then
speak for yourself, Raj – do not generalise
– there are individuals left in this world who do have “real” values.
you make a lot of presumptions of my views
individual rights of every single cricketer is equal to me
be it the Gangulys (don’t laugh JRod :-D ) or Ranatungas or the Bonds (and gillespies – if that is the name you wish to use)
I cited Shane Bond as a primary example,
there are many indians, bangladeshis and pakistani players in the ICL too, who are now ostracised – yet I do not see your heart weep for them.
in matters of equality I will stand up for all, whites brown blacks – colour of skin does not matter to me it obviously does to you – you have an obvious hatred for white people.
yet your beloved IPL will not survive without the Flintoffs and KPs and McCullums.
you have the audacity to suggest my eyes are shut, because I do not have a paranoid and prejudiced view such as yours.
it is not worth my time to argue against your narrowminded garbage. But do not let me stop you, the more you write, the more you reveal your true colours – (no pun intended)
and guys,
if you are not aware of the meaning of the word “atyachar” used in the above message in reference tothe ECB, – it means “torture/torment”.
chinaman, you know what. That is what makes me relieved. When the ECB plays the same games in the future, you will be up against them. That is such a relief. If you think you are better than me, that is fine. You talk as if I am the BCCI – I am merely putting an opposite POV – you are unable to see it – if you look at whole history of Cricket, some one has dominated and made life hell for their opponents( Imean politically)> Look at it this way – the Indians were mistreated by ICC for long yet when they got power, did they get enlightened and rule kindly – no, they didnt. So if the previously oppressed cannot understand oppression, why do you think the once-masters-now-oppressedd ECB and co. will be benign in the future?
All I am saying is this is natural behaviour – we dont have to cringe as Indians just because BCCI is behaving this way. If people start cringing for their fellow countrymen’s behaviour, Aussies and England have lot more to be shameful than us